vael:
You have not provided me a reason to care. That is: you have not given me a reason that I should care, because I will do nothing about this. Internet freedom? I can do nothing to stop SOPA. They are not going to listen to whatever I do, no matter how infallible my arguments are. Nothing will change. I can reblog SOPA and post about it on my games with 10,000 players viewing, and nothing will change. Why? Because they’re not going to do anything about it either.
Say that to the millions of people who signed petitions, emailed or called their congressmen, and did so because they saw shared memes, or because one of their favorite websites went dark in protest. Say that to the hundreds of thousands who did so before Google and Wikipedia went dark.
Source: http://americancensorship.org/vael:
And neither are you.
Bullshit. I have been involved in Occupy - more heavily at some points in time than others - though it seems you think they have accomplished nothing, which is demonstrably false.
vael:
Revolution in America should be gotten through force, not some drugged-up nothings occupying wherever. Revolution isn’t gotten through reblogging or liking a facebook page.
Occupy and the protest movements associated with it have been using direct n action everywhere. Protests in NYC, Oakland, and Chicago have shut down streets, turned into riots, and eventually violence towards the establishment.
In other areas of the world, such as the Middle East, UK, Greece, and Italy, other protest movements with connections to Occupy and Anonymous have full on started violent revolution and in some cases overthrew their government - or at least the shadow banker/globalist/NWO/whatever government.
Source: Google it. If you can’t find a source for something specific, IM me. There is information everywhere on this topic and you are being willfully ignorant if you aren’t at least somewhat aware of what’s going on around you.
On a side note, violent revolution isn’t necessary. Iceland overthrew the central banking establishment and associated government officials, offices, etc over the course of a few years. Nonviolently.
And to think, if it weren’t for a few visionaries on the *chans, pumping out those memes, Facebook event invites, and hashtags… none of it would have ever happened.vael:
You will do nothing to stop the drones. Any “awareness” is merely that, and irrelevant is no one does anything. Only an invincible, unstoppable force can defeat a country like America. And for what? To save a bunch of dystopians from losing their freedoms. Well, excuse me if I’d rather ignore the whole thing.
Are you talking about drones as in aircraft or drones as in mindless media consuming sacks of meat?
I think I’ve handled your awareness is nothing argument above.vael:
I’ve said it before. It’s a wonderful sentiment that we can have all these nice freedoms, gay people don’t have to endure harassment, we can be so happy and high-tech in our wonderful lives.
Actually, no. And freedoms for “normal” white, heterosexual males are not too good compared to practically any other civilized country.
vael:
But nothingwill change the fact that, at our core, we are selfish, biased creatures that care primarily for our own preservation. I’ve seen it proven (though this is known) through my children. Abel has to be taught to not take Lily’s food. He knows it’s bad, but when she’s not looking, he’ll take her gummy snacks. Lily has horded her toys since she first saw that abel could take them.
This is a philosophical difference between the two of us. I highly doubt there’s anything genetically predispositioning us to be selfish, in fact most biologists would argue the opposite - that cooperation and social tendencies are where most people’s genes lead them, when they haven’t been brainwashed by TV, their parents, and society around them by the age of three.
Individual human-apes would’ve been hunted down and killed by saber-tooth tigers. Or starved because they couldn’t take down a mammoth without help. Think logically about this - humans formed tribes so that the family and extended family could more easily survive. Then we formed villages, for the same reason. Then city-states. So on, so forth.
vael:
All your revolutions, how terrible you and Vossk think capitalism is, how great communism is or whatever anyone thinks about anything, essentially ever: nothing will change us genetically, it has to be untaught through the gene.
Again, I want non-anecdotal proof of this whole selfish gene thing. And even if humans were inherently selfish, socialism at least would be better than capitalism. There is only one end-result of capitalism, and that’s the situation we have in the economy today. The bottom 50% of the population hold less than 1% of the nation’s total wealth while the top 1% holds over 80%.
If you study history at all, people don’t like it when they are starving to death and the rich have enough money to feed the planet 200 times over, and still buy themselves that new jet at the end of the year.
Every year.
We revolt.
vael:
The world I wish to see cannot ever be seen without billions of dollars crafted into a utopia;I hold that everything you people get excited for is completely irrelevant, because even aif you did do something, it’d be so minuscule in comparison to our most basic problem inherent in our genes. If you want to change the world, go make the next Groupon and start funding school programs with your gazillions of dollars. And while you’re at it, see if you can bioengineer a human to only get pregnant if they’re willing to.
Even if you did change the world for the better, it doesn’t mean anything really.
If you want to change the world, go be a capitalist pig, start funding brainwashing centers and fucking with biological systems that science only pretends to understand. Not bring an end to poverty, disease, and corruption - that won’t help at all
vael:
a quick edit: I am aware that if everyone had the attitude I do regarding revolution, we would never have it. However, I’m not claiming to not revolt, only that if you’re going to, you should actually do something. I am unwilling to do something because I believe everyone to be saved has only contributed to the problems the world has, and only a utopian would be worth saving.
It’s ok if you don’t want to do anything. It’s not ok to bash others who actually are improving the world, no matter how small their individual efforts may be. They are likely doing more than you.
vael:
… on that subject, you may not even be aware of what utopianism is anymore. It’s about ambition and drive for life, knowledge, bettering yourself.
Yourself.
Used to be yourself and the world around you.
I think I liked old Utopianism better.
“Do as I say, not as I do” comes to mind.
You can do nothing, but that doesn’t change anything and change happens. It is happening. I would rather be a part of that change if it is for a better world.
(Source: obiwanjacobi-blog, via obiwanjacobi-blog)
